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1620-When Politics and Religion were Mixed Thoroughly

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The Editorial 11/28/8 Des Moines Register ("When Politics and Religion were Mixed Thoroughly")

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"Mixing Politics And Religion The Way our Founding Fathers Did" Because Politics without Religion thinks immorality in office doesn't matter--and Religion without Politics says nothing about the sins troubling America

 

"Discussion forums in neighborhoods and churches where Americans decide what to do about matters that matter."
 Saltshaker Mission

To shake the Salt (Mat 5:13) of the highest principles neighbors know (including the Bible) into those public forums where America decides whether to "legislate" the "morality" of Satan, or of God -- whether to criminalize evil, or legally protect it -- whether to honor the decent and innocent, or sue and slay them. Proverbs 29:2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.

Salt is clumped by cold water thrown on it. Americans are told "never talk about Politics or Religion" if they don't want to spoil lukewarm friendships that limit passion to frivolity. Christians are told to never organize against government-promoted sins exposed in their sermons on church property where "Bible" is spoken freely, (which has been "controversial" since 1954), so they have to work with strangers with unfamiliar theologies who have not been moved by the same sermons.

To study God’s standards of right and wrong, as applied to issues before our community - to stand against corruption (sin) and for justice (righteousness) - within first, and then without. Matthew 7:5 ... first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. 1 Corinthians 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

It is hard to do evil, and then vote to punish evil. Conversely, it is difficult to vote to promote sin, (or "bad choices"), and yet remain free of it, or abhor its tentacles snaking through community, Church, and family.

Likewise, church consideration of what God says to do about what God calls sin, will not just shine light outside the church but will help immunize members against sin. Taking a stand against sin greatly strengthens one’s resolve to resist it. 2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Bible Answers

"The mission of the church doesn't include politics." Biblical evidence that God calls us to Worship Him with not only discussion of government-promoted sin, but with a "multitude of counselors" on every Biblical topic - and not only within a church, but between the churches of each city, across denominational lines. (PDF)

"Voting exceeds Christian duty; voting intelligently is fanaticism." Oh? Half of America's Christians do things to this nation which God warns will send souls to Hell, and the other half is demanding the Mark of the Beast as fast as possible! Have we no Mark 10:16 duty to wise up? (This is a "presentation". If you do not have Microsoft Word, or the free similar program at www.OpenOffice.org, download this 6 megabyte PDF)

"Jesus never got
involved in politics"
Oh? Half the Gospels were Jesus' sermons to Palestine's political rulers. (PDF)

"Politics is not part
of The Gospel"
Uh, most of our Examples of Faith, in Hebrews 11, changed the course of governments. (PDF)

"Freedom was inspired by the Bible but equally guarantees the rights of those who do not honor it, or even know or accept the particular theology which gave it birth in 1620. Saltshaker Forums, inspired by that same theology, are designed to restore Freedom of Religious Expression for all, without requiring any to study or agree with that theology."

To create a laboratory of relationship skills which will deepen our fellowship, strengthen our marriages, and embolden our testimony of the highest principles we know, through the challenge of developing consensus on vital but controversial issues with others with whom we do not always agree. Proverbs 9:8 Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee. Revelation 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. Hebrews 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: 25 ...and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

The mission of Salt involves changing Americans. Let's not kid ourselves: only a few rare “wise men” appreciate being changed. If we as a nation are serious about getting others to love and do the right thing, Heb 10:24, we must be prepared for at least some resistance. Who is more gracious than God, and who more reasonable and open to correction than you and me, and yet look at us! Even we get mad at God for chastening us into Heaven too hard, too fast! We need our relationship skills to grow beyond what they are now.

But the benefits! (1) Better marriages! Practice expressing ourselves in love, spiritually correcting in love, receiving spiritual correction with gratitude, under challenging conditions – important in all human relationships. (2) Better communication skills! Practice persuading those who disagree – important in raising the vision of customers, employers, friends, our children, lawmakers, and the public. (3) More intimate friendships! – capable of weathering interaction over important matters. (4) Preserving Freedom! Suing for Peace in America’s ideological Civil War! America is a wagon with horses pulling in opposite directions! We can discuss which way to pull with a little more intelligence and a little lower temperature. (5) Creation of News That Matters which makes current news sources simplistic and embarrassingly biased by comparison.

Discussion tests various arguments. We learn which are persuasive and which are simply wrong. Discussion where profound principles are not censored lets us learn how they shape behavior and ideology. It motivates Americans to sharpen their ideological “swords”, to think more clearly and persuade more effectively.

Click here for a PDF of Saltshaker Operation (How to handle Philosophical, Theological, and Logistical challenges), Saltshaker History (Brief History of the Fall of Freedom of Religious Expression in America), and a Bible Study on "Salt", as well as the Mission statement above. (15 pages)

"Christians have no business in politics." When politicians get involved in sin, the Gospel cries out to “get involved in politics”.

"Politics is dirty. Christians should separate from it." The way to avoid soiling by"dirty politics" is not by calling it "too dirty to clean", but by cleaning it! Matthew 9:10-13.

(The following are not yet posted; I'll post them when I get a Round Tuit or if someone tells me they would actually like to read one of them.)

"The Bible says not to
offend church members"

"We are to PRAY for our leaders, not LOBBY them"

"The Bible says to go along with whatever our government says up until it says not to preach the Gospel"

"The Bible says 'come out from among politics, and be ye separate from them'"

"If laymen try to do something in their community about the same sins that their pastor just preached about, that will OFFEND church members"

"'Pastors and teachers' (Eph 4:11) needn't hear from the gift of 'governments' (1 Cor 12:28) to know how to preach and teach relevant to where Satan is most directly attacking the flock."

Order the complete book: "The Gift of 'Governments'" (1 Cor 12:28)

Trumpet Call for the Armies of God to Assemble

Last Updated:
September 16, 2008 AD

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